Curse

StandardAI · Jun 18, 2005, 07:52 AM // 07:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digital Limit

I am so tired of the whining. StandardAI has to be one of the most annoying people I have ever had to deal with on these forums. Thank god I can ignore this thread.

*moves on*

that's nice.

Jormund · Jun 18, 2005, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Think of the whole bug exploiting thing as grabbing a hold of an electric fence:

You don't know if it is on or off, you grab it the first time, and you don't get zapped. The second time, even though you know you shouldn't, you grab it again anyways, not zapped. Third time, you're getting a bit ****y, and you decide to grab it with both hands; the fence is on, you get electrocuted bad.

You still going to grab a hold of that fence?

StandardAI · Jun 18, 2005, 08:06 AM // 08:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jormund

Think of the whole bug exploiting thing as grabbing a hold of an electric fence:

You don't know if it is on or off, you grab it the first time, and you don't get zapped. The second time, even though you know you shouldn't, you grab it again anyways, not zapped. Third time, you're getting a bit ****y, and you decide to grab it with both hands; the fence is on, you get electrocuted bad.

You still going to grab a hold of that fence?

That was uhm, smart...

dargon · Jun 18, 2005, 08:18 AM // 08:18

AI the exploits you admit to taking part in, are not nearly as serious as the mirror one. What did you get out of them? Gold and Equipment. However, in this game, equipment doesn't make the player, the right combination of SKILLS makes the player. As a prime example of this, consider Lornars. Many many a level 20 with ascension armor has attempted the trip and gotten their ass handed to them. However, in my guild, two players took level 13's and made the trip, it took them a little over an hour. They had not been rushed by a level 20 beforehand to pick up the fabulous armor so equipment sure didn't help them. Pure determination and the right combination of skills is what did it.

Now about your exploits, maybe you should just give into that guilty conscience of yours and go on a donating spree in ascalon. I'm sure a newbie would love their very own sigil

Kula · Jun 18, 2005, 08:19 AM // 08:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seth Oriath

I said when you peel the shrinkwrap off the box. If you're peeling the shrinkwrap off the box before you buy it, you're in for a world of hurt by a store manager.

I have to agree with you on this one. I don't know how someone expects to "sign" a TOS at a store before you purchase a software game, that's ludicrous. That's why they let you know about these terms of acceptance by either having them written on the box OR even if it's just by letting you know of the existence of these terms.

Quote:

Acceptance of certain agreements is required

This is what it says on my GW box.

What "agreements" are they referring to? Hmm, *thinks hard* I think I'll visit the website and read them before I buy the game. *Googles for guild wars legal* http://www.guildwars.com/legal/default.html Bang! Oh, wow that's nice. I think I'll go buy the game now! I don't know who actually goes through this but...

It's pretty common sense though: tearing off the shrinkwrap means you're going to keep the game, TOS or not, plain and simple. As disagreeable as their rules may seem, gotta learn to play by them, sorry to say.

Vermilion Okeanos · Jun 18, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24

Banning is a tool of game politic and control...

It is like why you have public excution... it is so that you tell people "this is what will happen to you if you commit similiar crime!".

Now... you don't exactly go around and excute everyone who just stole a bread for breakfast now do you? Therefore, they don't go around banning people for vengeance and few other less extreme exploits... Nor did they ban ALL the player who use this ascension exploit...

We don't know who exactly got banned anyway (nor do we know what those banned players have done more than the other who didn't get ban), for all you know they might just be lying to us that some did got ban so people have more awareness that dev is willing to take extreme actions. In all circumstance... we have complete lack of knowledge and information to debate about...

That was all I had to say... arguing beyound this point is merely act of foolishness...

"Wake Up" I don't believe you should sleep any longer in the idiot hall... It is time to move on.

Terminal · Jun 18, 2005, 08:40 AM // 08:40

You exploit = you get a ban. Better that the rule is enforced sometimes rather than never.

People who exploit AND are contientious nitpickers at the same time like AI need theirs.

SOE turned out some majorly horrible games and services like SWG and EQ2. But they were swift and sterling with one thing: handing out perma-bans to any and all who exploited game mechanics and/or bugs. Not just their accounts, bt their credit cards and ip-addresses would get perma-banned. End of story. Their complete intolerance to exploiting of any kind made SWG, which doesn't hold a candle to GW, playable for a year and a half.

Hope ANet continues to hand down bans each and every time a fringe in the community decides to exploit existing game mechanics.

Sancus · Jun 18, 2005, 08:46 AM // 08:46

Quote:

Actually, Standard AI was not banned

Aww

Jun 18, 2005, 09:04 AM // 09:04

To put it simply: If people knew what the exploit was in full detail I dont think there would be any argument whether or not people were wrong. I think banning is a bit harsh especially with the motives involved, but clearly people did this intentionally without a doubt.

goldfinger · Jun 18, 2005, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I find it hard to believe that anyone can try and argue against A-net after gaile's post... It pretty much cleared up that little "accidentally stumbling onto the glitch" story regarding the mirror concept, It pretty much showed you that they were MORE than gracious regarding those who even tried it a time or two, and it shows you that they are not ban happy creeps.

Standard, you are a knob. You can't honestly believe the passive position you are taking to intentionally using this less than obvious exploit? By your logic I could try and claim innocence for anything illegal I do if the local authorities haven't made it physically impossible to do so... I mean, the opportunity to break the law simply made a law breaker out of me. Oh please, you might as well try and tell me that you can crap rainbows.

VOD Katsumoto · Jun 18, 2005, 09:22 AM // 09:22

What is funny is how all of the accussed and banned try to dissect the EULA from ANET. I have seen some great spin stories in here. This post is most humorous. So keep finding exploits. Keep D/Ling bots and trainers. Go waste $$ on another copy and try again. In the end, the vast majority of cheaters and hackers will lose. Its hilarious the amount of time invested in trying to find an exploit that could be well served just playing the game. Can't wait til the next round of bannings for a new post.

Bottom line. Play the game the way it was INTENDED to be played and NOTHING will ever happen to your account. No matter how you try to argue. You know your wrong.

corax5 · Jun 18, 2005, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldfinger

I find it hard to believe that anyone can try and argue against A-net after gaile's post... It pretty much cleared up that little "accidentally stumbling onto the glitch" story regarding the mirror concept, It pretty much showed you that they were MORE than gracious regarding those who even tried it a time or two, and it shows you that they are not ban happy creeps.

Standard, you are a knob. You can't honestly believe the passive position you are taking to intentionally using this less than obvious exploit? By your logic I could try and claim innocence for anything illegal I do if the local authorities haven't made it physically impossible to do so... I mean, the opportunity to break the law simply made a law breaker out of me. Oh please, you might as well try and tell me that you can crap rainbows.

Amen to that. I dont see why your all getting so worked up about it anyway, the answer has been given yet your still all arguing about it. Its over, if you were banned its your own fault, if you wern't banned, then good for you, stop complaining on behalf of the people stupid enough to get themselves banned.

And Standard, I dont think a post saying "thats nice." is necesary or useful to anyone, although to be fair the post you quoted was equally usless.

Rieselle · Jun 18, 2005, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Just be glad this isnt WoW... where attacking people from rooftops turned out to be seriously unfair. So to "fix" the problem, Blizzard instituted a new rule: "Camping on rooftops will get you banned." and moved on :P

At least ANet fixes this stuff

bloodbob · Jun 18, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50

Balth aura,Arid sea, Vengeance

How did you exploit these skills well it was pretty simple you just casted them. Really who the hell is to blame? what should players have just not used the skills at all? maybe we should require all players log in or they might accidently do something that anet didn't intend.

Synncial77 · Jun 18, 2005, 12:23 PM // 12:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digital Limit

I figured it'd be worth it to voice one simple piece of logic: If you sign a contract, you are bound by it.
.

Well, I don't feel that any contract has been signed. All you did was click "Accept" or "Agree" on an install window.

The reason why license agreements really don't mean anything is because you have to agree to it ***AFTER*** you've already bought the game. You sign the contracts BEFORE you take your new car home. You sign the contracts BEFORE you get your house. It's not like you can buy the game, open the box, run the disc, read the license agreement, and then go "Oh, I don't agree to this" and return it to where you bought it for a full refund. Now, if the companies that sold us games made us sign contracts before we could purchase our games then it would be a completely different story.

In the real world, you have to sign the contracts before you get possession of things. And by "sign" I mean "make a squiggly line on a line that say "sign here if you agree" so that if you're taken to court a lawyer can say "see!! right here. He signed and dated this which means he agreed".

----

Imagine:

You pay $1 for a can of Pepsi from a vending machine. The can that spits out has a license agreement printed on the can that says "opening this can forfeits your soul and earthly possessions to PepsiCo from this point hereafter". Would ANY court uphold that. And what could you do if you didn't agree...throw it out and lose your money?

Synncial77 · Jun 18, 2005, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theus

Think about it for a second..

When you do a quest..do you go do it again?

No.So the people who were exploiting obiviously knew they were.

Umm, so every one who goes into the Underworld and Fissure and do those HIGH XP quest hundreds of times are exploiting Guild Wars and should be banned too?

Eos · Jun 18, 2005, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by StandardAI

I speak of them as in.

Balth aura:, Me and many alpha members knew it was an exploit, and exploited it and we're not punished. Because of this a lot of people have full gold on their accounts and their storages full of sigils.

Arid sea:, Me and many alpha members knew it was an exploit, and exploited it and we're not punished. Because of this a lot of people have nearly every perfect mod unlocked on their accounts.

Vengeance:, Me and many alpha members knew it was an exploit, and exploited it and we're not punished.

Wow, with alpha testers like this I'm rather surprised the game turned out as well as it did. Guess A-Net must have picked up the slack

Sorry if i seem rude but it seems a little rediculous to mention exploits that existed solely because "you and many other alpha testers" failed to report them while you were alpha/ beta testing the game.

Kaelan · Jun 18, 2005, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eos

Wow, with alpha testers like this I'm rather surprised the game turned out as well as it did. Guess A-Net must have picked up the slack

Sorry if i seem rude but it seems a little rediculous to mention exploits that existed solely because "you and many other alpha testers" failed to report them while you were alpha/ beta testing the game.

You do realize that bugs don't get fixed immediately, right? The vengeance bug was known and reported for at least 1 or 2 weeks before it got fixed.

Wilford · Jun 18, 2005, 02:24 PM // 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theus

Think about it for a second..
When you do a quest..do you go do it again?
No.So the people who were exploiting obiviously knew they were.

When this game came out i did the same bonus mission for a couple of times until a got bored of it. Every time the bonus gave me 1000 exp. Did i know this was a exploit...no i dident. A heard that exp was no big deal in this game so a tought this was a part of the game if you wanted exp.

Im just happy that a wasent banned for doing this thing not knowing this was a exploit.

Edit: Sorry but i just read about the alt-f4 thing. I tought that you just could kill your mirror over and over agine. Pressing these buttons while fighting your mirror is clearly an exploit and it was the right thing to do banning the people that used the exploit.

Amnisac · Jun 18, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

ex·ploit (ksploit, k-sploit) n.

To employ to the greatest possible advantage selfishly or unethically.